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George Adem
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011
Joined: 10/12/2010
Posts: 5780


Posted: 7/3/2003 2:46:52 PM

By: David S. Lesperance

In the thread, "Ol' News - Sylver Indicted", the name Dr, George Adem popped up. This set off a trigger in my mind of having been contacted in the past by a gentleman who had claimed that this "Doctor" had ripped him off on a passport. Has anyone ever heard of this person.

Below are some hits from a google search.

http://www.appleby.net/netscam/currentscam.html

http://www.appleby.net/FinancialPrivacyCon.html

http://www.aw-wrdsmth.com/messages/1210.html

http://www.ptshamrock.com/shame.htm

http://www.aw-wrdsmth.com/messages/1237.html

http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0008/messages/273400670.html

http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0008/messages/031271982.html

I would be interested in hearing about him. Especially from some of our Panama-based posters.

David S. Lesperance


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/3/2003 10:49:13 PM

By: OBSERVER

"Dr. Georg Adem" is in fact none other than Robert Demes.

This is the same Robert Demes from International Privacy, and a myriad of other offshore sites.

'nyms' are often used by these individuals, so when they abscond with peoples hard earned funds, they are more difficult to find.

Observer


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/3/2003 9:42:26 PM

By: Ol' Hap

This is just a bizarre aside that struck me because I know Dutch. The PT Shamrock site says that Dr. George Adem used a Dutch company called Isware Trading B.V. as a beneficiary through an account with ABN-AMRO Bank in Sittard, The Netherlands to funnel proceeds of sales through http://www.xchangers.com and http://www.evocash.com

And Okke is Dutch. And the name Adem means "breath" in Dutch. And Adem is so close linguistically to Demes.

Just a case of halitosis, I suppose.

-Hap


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/3/2003 8:50:55 PM

By: Ol' Hap

Okay, it gets weirder, although I don't think I can top the pater Harris connection...

George Adem/Robert Demes is a copyrighted contributor to a site called Sovereign Classics

http://www.sovereignclassics.com

just click on "The Documents Connection", and scroll down the new page until you reach a link to an article called 'Second Passports: An Overview by Dr. George Adem', which brings up the article in a pop-up window with the whole thing copyrighted at the bottom to Sovereign Classics.
The web site is registered to the following and lists all contacts with this information:

Sovereign Classics, Ltd.
Sovereign Classics (hfallen@adelphia.net)
+1.442076812120
FAX- +44.2076812100
401 Langham House
302 Regent Street
London, LONDON W1B 3HH
GB

A few oddities:
The address looks to be a maildrop. But now, correct me if I'm wrong, David, but doesn't a professional London address normally say UK as opposed to GB??

According to an unrelated message board post,

http://forum.icann.org/org/3D3DD6B700000101.html

the email address hfallen@adelphia.net belongs to one Howard Fallen of Wellington, Florida. He could simply be the technical contact, but he's also listed as the billing, administrative, and registrant contact.

And according to a web site called FakeTitles.com

http://www.faketitles.com/html/sovereign_classics.html

which tracks the fraudulent sale of aristocratic British titles, which Sovereign Classics also hawks, the Sovereign Classics site is an affiliate of a Miami man named Antony Boada Cartaya, who uses multiple aliases and runs a thriving company called British Feudal Investments out of a London address while living in Miami:

http://www.faketitles.com/html/british_feudal_investments.html

I told you it got weirder...
-Hap


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/3/2003 8:08:01 PM

By: David Marchant

I had not read the thread titled 'Ol' News - Sylver Indicted', when I posted the information about Demes, some of which has already been mentioned.

I noticed a reference to 'Scott Oliver', who went to Costa Rica after previously working in the Cayman Islands for Lines Overseas Management.

There are stories about Scott Oliver in our story library, including those that focus on his claim to be an advisor to the "International Exchange Bank of Bermuda" even though no such bank existed on the island.

The bank was actually licensed in Nauru and was insured by none other than IDIC the sham insurer established in Nevis by the First International Bank of Grenada group.

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/3/2003 7:44:53 PM

By: David Marchant

On October 8, 1999, Business Wire distributed a press release that began: "Whitney Information Network, Inc. (OTCBB: RUSS) today announced the inauguration of their Asset Protection Division. With the assistance of U.S. Fiduciary Corporation (U.S.F.C.), Shawn M. Casey, Esq., and Robert Demes, the company has developed new initiatives designed to enhance this division and provide Whitney students with a whole new array of wealth-building and asset protection products and services."

There's an interesting story on the Whitney Information Network at http://www.moneywise.co.uk/investigationjune.htm. It is headlined: "Stay away when this circus comes to town."

I don't know whether the Robert Demes mentioned above is the same Robert W. Demes who is involved in Financial Privacy Consultants.

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/3/2003 7:19:22 PM

By: David Marchant

I believe Georg Adem's real name is Robert W. Demes (formerly of Florida, possibly now in Panama).

In support of this, go to http://www.usermail.com/messages/701.html and click on 'robert demes'. Your email program will open with the address of 'gadem110@yahoo.com' in the 'to' box.

Then go to http://www.usermail.com/messages/700.html and click on 'Georg Adem' and the same email address will appear.

Then it starts to get wild.

Go to http://ccfcorp.dos.state.fl.us/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFIL&n1=H65886&n2FFFWD&n3=0000&n4=R&r1=&r2=&r3=&r4=&r5=&r6=&r7=DEMESROBERT&r8= and you will see that, in 1985-1987, Robert Demes was a director of a Florida corporation alongside none other than Joseph Baum Harris, who also happens to be the father of Marc Harris.

There's more. As many of you will know, some months ago, Okke Ornstein and others set up a web-site at www.apot.cx that was devoted to attacking me and disrupting my business. The site made several 'pdf' files of OffshoreAlert and InsideBermuda available free of charge and made many fanciful claims about me, e.g. that I was involved in extortion, had links to terrorism and was about to be arrested (none of which is true, I might add).

If you go to an archived version of this URL at http://web.archive.org/web/20000613145136/http://apot.cx/, you will see what it looked like before it focused on me. As you will see, it was the web-site for Financial Privacy Consultants.

Strong evidence indeed that Ornstein's partner in crime was none other than Robert Demes.

Finally, in 2000, I received the email below from a customer of Adem/Demes:

"I got ripped off by a guy called Georg Adem who has an impressive web site at: www.privacy-consultants.com. I paid him USD1,500 for an aged Marshall Islands' company a month or so ago and I have just found out that the company was annulled in 1997!"

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 1:36:24 AM

By: Observer

Hap.

I am certain there is much more to the Harris/Demes/Adem et al. connection.

Considering Harris had an office in the Centro Colon building in San Jose for many years, and Robert Demes, William Ramirez, and their group of companies are based in Costa Rica as well in the area of La Sabana, one can be assured their paths have crossed.

Costa Rica is a tiny country, and San Jose is a very small town where everyone knows everyone else.

Observer


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 1:33:28 AM

By: Kevin Wessell with Whitney Organization

By Kevin Wessell On 05.08.02 11:53

Here is an answer to your post. I am one of the Russ Whitney trainers and we also establish companies for Whitney students. With my first income producing property, I hired a conTRACTOR who turned out to be a conARTIST. Then a tenant fell out the second story window. Insurance covered neither. I got in a four-year lawsuit that cost me $157,000. If I had that property in a properly structured company, instead of my own name, the lawsuit would have stopped inside the company. From that perspective, let's look at the costs you mention. After 12 months of an LLC and 24 months of a corporation doing business in California, there is an $800 pre-payment of the taxes that will be due in the future. (By the way, California is the only state with this policy.) If the California taxes for the year were $1000, there is only $200 more due at the end of the year. Second, the taxes one can save by using a properly structured corporation can far outweigh the costs. Nearly 100% of the people on the Forbes 400 list of the wealthiest people in the US...as well as the wealthiest Canadians, hold their wealth in stock in their corporations. Unlike individuals, a "C" corporation can write off 100% of medical expenses, including insurance deductibles, prescriptions, aspirin, band-aids, etc. A corporation can also have a pension fund where the new laws say you can set aside the lesser of 100% of annual compensation or $40,000 per employee ($80,000 total for husband and wife). This is money that is tax deductible when contributed and grows tax-free for retirement. The Internal Revenue Code does not specify the number of quick-buy-and-sale transactions in which one can engage before being classified as a dealer. Dealer tax penalties include the loss of the 1031 tax-deferred exchange on all of one's holdings, the loss of the depreciation deduction, a 15.3% surtax (self-employment tax) on all rental income, and a front-loaded tax on installment sales. (When you sell a property on monthly installments, tax is due on all of the profit as if you had already received all of the profit.)So, it is one's best interest to separate quick-flip deals from rentals. They should be owned by separate companies. Though other opinions vary on when one should incorporate, the painful lesson I learned in the beginning of my real estate investment career leans me toward incorporating up-front in the beginning of your real estate investment career. Sooner rather than later. I hope this helps. Sincerely,Kevin Wessell

Segment from post at Whitney board
First: Kevin Wessell set up two entities for me: The first is a Wyoming Corporation and the second is a Limited Partnership. (Thanks Kevin) The limited partnership is owned by the Wyoming Corporation (general partner) and myself (limited partner). I do business in the state of California. Does this mean that I must pay the $800 minimum tax?

OR ENTITY
Registered by Presidential Services Incorporated
OREGON SECRETARY OF STATE, CORPORATE RECORD

Name: US5523564, INC.

Business Address: 3120 W LYONS AVE STE 5 #223
SANTA CLARITA, CA 91321-2668

(** NOTE - Person Locator on Kevin Wessell indicates he used this address **)

Type: DOMESTIC CORPORATION

Status: ACTIVE

Filing Date: 5/29/2001

State of Incorporation: OREGON

Registered Agent: PRESIDENTIAL SERVICES INCORPORATED

Registered Office: 465 NE 18ST AVE #505
PORTLAND, OR 97230-6660
Number: 2267896

Officers/Directors/Partners/Members:

KEVIN WESSELL
PRESIDENT
23120 W LYONS AVE STE 5 #223
SANTA CLARITA, CA 91321-2668

KEVIN WESSELL
SECRETARY
23120 W LYONS AVE STE 5 #223
SANTA CLARITA, CA 91321-2668


AND TWO MORE COMPANIES AS EXAMPLES
NOTE name Presidential Services Incorporated
(* NOTE: Person Locator indicates that Kevin Wessell used the PO Box 1232 address in Corvallis OR *)
NEVADA SECRETARY OF STATE
Company Name: EAGLE ROCK LIMITED PARTNERSHIP

Mailing Address:
1245 BARING BLVD.
SPARKS, NV 89434


Type: LIMITED PARTNERSHIP (DOMESTIC)

Status: REVOKED
Status Date: 9/1/1998

Filing Date: 12/7/1995

Duration: PERPETUAL

Expiration Date: 12/7/2025

State or Country of Incorporation: NEVADA

Purpose: ALL LEGAL ACTIVITIES; HAS NO GAMING

Registered Agent:
PRESIDENTIAL SERVICES INCORPORATED
Status: ACCEPTED
Creation Date: 12/7/1995
Companies Represented: 9
Companies in Good Standing: 3
Registered Office:
*SEE COMMENT SCREEN*
1245 BARING BLVD
SPARKS, NV 89431


Members, Managers, Partners:
EAGLE ROCK TRUST
PO BOX 1232
CORVALLIS, OR 97339
Added Date: 12/7/1995
Filing Number: LP1959-1995

Annual Report:
Date Due: 1997
Report Date: 12/7/1996
Comments: ANNUAL LIST OF OFFICERS; Number of Officers Reported: 1

Filing Number: LP1959-1995

Annual Report:
Date Due: 1997
Report Date: 12/7/1996
Comments: ANNUAL LIST OF OFFICERS; Number of Officers Reported: 1
Expiration Date: 12/7/2025

State or Country of Incorporation: NEVADA

Purpose: ALL LEGAL ACTIVITIES; HAS NO GAMING

Registered Agent:
PRESIDENTIAL SERVICES INCORPORATED
Status: ACCEPTED
Creation Date: 12/7/1995
Companies Represented: 9
Companies in Good Standing: 3
Registered Office:
*SEE COMMENT SCREEN*
1245 BARING BLVD
SPARKS, NV 89431


Members, Managers, Partners:
IRON GATE TRUST
PO BOX 1232
CORVALLIS, OR 97339
Added Date: 12/7/1995

Filing Number: LP1960-1995

Annual Report:
Date Due: 1997
Report Date: 12/7/1996
Comments: ANNUAL LIST OF OFFICERS; Number of Officers Reported: 1

LINK TO PRESIDENTIAL SERVICES – NEVIS
http://www.presidentialservices.com/nevis.html

Presidential Services Seminar
Asset Protection Training
Real Estate Investment Training
Kevin Wessell – CEO of Presidential Services
http://www.presidentialservices.com/seminar.html

Well enough for now. I apologize to David L. if Robert Demems isn't Georg Adem but I have spent many a late night searching on Robert Demes and Georg Adem.

Have a good one,
Hunter


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 1:17:58 AM

By: Corporate records for Avesst

Got things a little out of order at the end of that last post. Will try to do a little better job with copy and paste.

The first record has Tedder and his clearchex/clearpay buddies as officers. Clearchex/clearpay was to be a payment system used by offshore gaming operators. Last I checked Dick Grey was being sued in TX and assets are frozen. Note similar names in property records and the Officer Name of Presidential Services Incorporated in the first record.

RECORDS ON AVESST PROPERTY

Name: AVESST PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, INC.
Corporate ID Number: LLC5522-2001
Filing State: NV
Type: LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY


Address Type: REG. AGENT ADDRESS
Name: BUSINESS FORMATIONS, INC.
Address: 6380 SOUTH EASTERN AVE #3
LAS VEGAS, NV 89119


Address Type: REG. AGENT ADDRESS
Name: DAVID HAMPTON TEDDER
Address: 6380 S. EASTERN AVE., #3
LAS VEGAS, NV


Address Type: REG. AGENT ADDRESS
Name: DICK GREY
Address: 6380 S. EASTERN AVE., #3
LAS VEGAS, NV


Address Type: REG. AGENT ADDRESS
Name: DON MADDEN
Address: 6380 S. EASTERN AVE., #3
LAS VEGAS, NV


Address Type: REG. AGENT ADDRESS
Name: PRESIDENTIAL SERVICES INCORPORATED
Address: 1802 N CARSON ST
STE 212
CARSON CITY, NV 89701


Officer Name: BUSINESS FORMATIONS, INC.
Title: REG AGENT
Address: 6380 SOUTH EASTERN AVE #3
LAS VEGAS, NV 89119


Officer Name: DAVID HAMPTON TEDDER
Title: PRESIDENT
Address: 6380 S. EASTERN AVE., #3
LAS VEGAS, NV


Officer Name: DICK GREY
Title: SECRETARY
Address: 6380 S. EASTERN AVE., #3
LAS VEGAS, NV


Officer Name: DON MADDEN
Title: TREASURER
Address: 6380 S. EASTERN AVE., #3
LAS VEGAS, NV


Officer Name: PRESIDENTIAL SERVICES INCORPORATED
Title: REG AGENT
Address: 1802 N CARSON ST
STE 212
CARSON CITY, NV 89701


NOTE: US FIDUCIARY CORP is ROBERT DEMES
NOTE: US FIDUCIARY CORP is also part of THE RUSS WHITNEY ORGANIZATION
NEVADA SECRETARY OF STATE, LIMITED PARTNERSHIP RECORD

NAME: AVESST PROPERTIES LIMITED PARTNERSHIP

TYPE OF PARTNERSHIP: LIMITED PARTNERSHIP (DOMESTIC)

PARTNERSHIP STATUS: DELINQUENT 04/01/2002

DURATION: PERPETUAL

DATE PARTNERSHIP FORMED: 03/07/2001

MAILING ADDRESS: #211
1105 TERMINAL WAY
RENO, NV 89502

STATE OF ORIGIN: NEVADA

REGISTERED AGENT: NEVADA PROCESSING CENTER, INC.
STATUS: ACCEPTED 03/07/2001

NUMBER OF COMPANIES REPRESENTED BY REGISTED AGENT: 1,450

NUMBER OF COMPANIES REPRESSENTED BY REGISTERED AGENT IN STANDING: 493

REGISTERED OFFICE: 3838 RAYMERT DR STE 132
LAS VEGAS, NV 89121

PURPOSE: ALL LEGAL ACTIVITIES
EXP/1CC


ANNUAL-REPORT:

LAST REPORT: ANNUAL LIST OF OFFICERS
LAST REPORT FILED ON: 03/07/2001
ENDING YEAR: 2002

GENERAL PARTNER(S): US FIDUCIARY CORP.
1105 TERMINAL WAY, #211
RENO, NV 89502

STATUS: ADDED 03/07/2001

PARTNERSHIP NUMBER: LP585-2001

Next post few comments on Presidential Services Incorporated.

Enjoy,
Hunter


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 1:07:29 AM

By: Wow this is interesting

Sometime ago I caught the email situation mentioned by Marchant and wondered who the heck was Georg Adem and if he could possibly be Robert Demes but never could find anything definite.

The Robert Demes of OneTrust / Financial Privacy is the Robert Demes running the Costa Rica land deals for the Russ Whitney Organization. Same guy on Tedder's personal email list. Same guy who gave seminars with Shawn Casey sponsored by MSI out of Panama. Advertised material covered was word for word what Tedder covered in seminars sponsored by Concept Asset Protection Systems.

Here is some information collected over the past few years.
Link to information that mentions Georg Adem and Management Services International:
http://www1.privacy-consultants.com/nlet/privacy_battle/nlet_10_1998.shtml
########################################################################At Financial Privacy Consultants, we celebrate

20 years providing Privacy Consultants (1978-199

Therefore, we want you to celebrate with us. From Oct 15 - Dec 31 we offer substantial discounts to our readers/clients/friends as follows:
- on ID products (passports) 20 % off
- on financial products (bank charters, banking software, etc.) 25 % off!!

To be eligible simply order before the year's end and pay a deposit. ######################################################################## ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Another important message:

We are pleased to announce our affiliation with a first class Management and Trust Company, Management Services International, Inc. which greatly expands our capabilities. You may visit their site at

http://www.1-trust.net/ or http://onetrust.net
and meet the officers, read about their qualifications, and view all the services that the combined companies now offer.

Looking forward to hearing from you and serving your needs in the near future.

Kindly,

Dr. Georg Adem

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Contact: Robert Demes or William Ramirez
Tel: (506) 220-4002
Fax: (506) 220-3704
Courier Address:
Management Services International, Inc.
Edificio Balboa Plaza, Officina 522
Avenida Balboa
Panama, Republic of Panama
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Avenida Andrés Bello, Cruce Con Calle El Lago
Edificio Principal #1
Caracas, 1011 - Venezuela
Tel: (582) 2-503 11 11
Contact Person:
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11 East 51st Street
New York, NY 10022-5903 U.S.A.
Tel: (212) 891-7400
Fax: (212) 891-7419
Contact Person:
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Whitney Information Network Sets New Asset Protection Division in Motion
Link to information: http://library.northernlight.com/FB19991008100000033.html?cb=0&sc=0#doc
Date of Business Wire: 10/8/1999
Whitney Information Network, Inc. (OTCBB: RUSS) today announced the inauguration of their Asset Protection Division. With the assistance of U.S. Fiduciary Corporation (U.S.F.C.), Shawn M. Casey, Esq., and Robert Demems, the company has developed new initiatives designed to enhance this division and provide Whitney students with a whole new array of wealth-building and asset protection products and services.

Management Services International, Inc. - Program
Link: http://www.privatetrust.org/program.html
A Three Day Learning Experience - material covered from Tedder seminars

Officers
Link to list: http://www.privatetrust.org/officers.html
Robert W. Demes
Thomas L. Sloan
Dr. Rodrigo Calderon
A J Camp
William Ramirez - President of Private Trust International

U.S. FIDUCIARY SITE
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MSI PLUS PROGRAM
Network-tools: www.msiplus.com
William Ramirez (template COCO-83423
goldengroup@racsa.co.cr
Apdo 831-1007
Centro Colon
San Jose, Costa Rica 1007 CR

Domain Name: msiplus.com
Status: production

Admin Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Robert Joy (COCO-834239) goldengroup@racsa.co.cr
+506-433-9618 (FAX) +506-433-9618

CORE Registrar: CORE-11

Record created: 2000-11-22 22:12:58 UTC by CORE-11
Record expires: 2002-11-22 16:14:55 UTC

Domain servers in listed order:

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Database last updated on 2002-09-30 20:21:56 UTC

I could go on all night with information that I have spent hours capturing on these folks. I just think it is way too neat if Robert Demes is Georg Adem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next post is some property records.

Hunter







MAY 19 THRU 21, 2000 NY/NJ
SEPTEMBER 8 THRU 10, 2000 LAS VEGAS
OCTOBER 27 THRU 29, 2000 NASSAU BAHAMAS
NOVEMBER 3 THRU 5, 2000 - LAS VEGAS
DECEMBER 1 THRU 3, 2000 - ORLANDO
Inquires: robert@privatetrust.org

From Tedder's e-mail list have for Robert Demes: robert@1-trust.net





Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 12:35:09 AM

By: Ol' Hap - For Observer

Oh, I think we're all well aware of the "nyms" situation.
I was just pointing out that there may be more to the Harris/Demes, Florida/Holland connections than David had previously pointed out.

-Hap

RE:"'nyms' are often used by these individuals, so when they abscond with peoples hard earned funds, they are more difficult to find."


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 9:05:53 PM

By: San Jose Resident

While Costa Rica may be small country, describing a metropolitan area of 1.5 million people as a "very small town where everyone knows everyone else" is not accurate.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 4:49:56 PM

By: David Marchant

Actually, I believe it was another 'Georg' - Georg Palmer - who operated the PT List.

Georg Palmer's real name is Gregorio Peskett. Apparently, he legally changed it to Greg Palmer.

He is British but apparently also has an Irish passport. He lives in Muenster, Germany.

Like many from the PT crowd, he promotes highly dubious products. I have print-outs from a web-site that he set up a year or so ago where he was pitching his own investment fund. It did not last very long.

He used to be a journalist with Dragon News Agency, in Swansea, Wales.

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 4:37:36 PM

By: Where is Okke?

Okke and Adem and very much buddy, buddy, and had some business deals together too.

Adem ran the "PT List Service" for years, and used it to pitch scams to the PT suckers who visited that list. Okke was a regular participant.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 3:52:40 PM

By: renatus

well-known

some examples/links on

http://www.ayoc.com/scams.html

... it's "ripp-off nr. 4"

dr. a. contacted us some years ago asking to be allowed to "resell" our business services in switzerland and the united kingdom - we asked some questions... never got any reply (think we were tooooo insistant)

around 2 years later the "new owner" of this "empire" contacted us again, promised to "reposition" the whole "group" and showing interest in cooperating... we asked some questions... never got any reply

hall of shame-candidat

renatus


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 11:50:11 AM

By: David S. Lesperance

Gee I really missed the boat on this guy! I just noted that the name seemed familiar and that was only because the original fellow who complained emailed me again last week (after over a year) and I saw the name George Adem on the original email.

Well it sure sounds like he was a busy beaver (Note Canadian reference).

The coincidences just keep on coming with Soveriegn Classics. I received a spam from them in May, 2002 claiming to sell economic citizenships for EU countries. Knowing that there was no such thing, I sent an email and was soon contacted by phone by an individual indentifying himself as Thomas Lislee. He was very insistent about advanced fees for a number of limited time "special deals" (all of which were fraudulent). I subsequently reported him to a Detective Constable Bowes of Scotland Yard (as they indicated they were based in the U.K.). DC Bowes later advised me that they went to the location but it is merely a serviced office and they don't actually operate from there. Their account is in a Baltic state and the other bank they have listed has no records of them. They are obviously investigating quite actively. I have received spam from Sovereign classics as recently as last week hawking overpriced Camoflauge Passports. I assume that Mr. Adem occasional monitors this forum, so I would ask him to pass on my regards to Mr. Lislee. In addition, if Mr. Lislee can pass on my regards to DC Bowes when they soon meet.

David S. Lesperance

P.S. To the individual who contacted me directly by email, I had no further original motive then making the mental connection. However, now it seems much more interesting.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 7:42:56 AM

By: Littel more Demes / MSI Panama

Link: http://wallstreetdirectory.com/pg_45000/w45463.shtml
Management Services International Inc.
MANAGEMENT SERVICES, offers a diversity of services and degree of professional experience which are second to none in Panama.
The Directors
Thomas L. Sloan, has been the Managing Director of the Company since 1981 and is an offshore corporate and investment management specialist. He has extensive experience in Europe and the Caribbean.
Dr. Rodrigo Calderon, is Vice President of the Company. He is a n Economist and his international expertise is in the corporate, trust, insurance and banking fields.
Robert W. Demes, an economist, is the director of Business Relocation and Invoicing Programmes.
William Ramirez is the Company's Secretary, and Manager of Banking Operations. He is also the President of Private Trust International, which provides Banking and Trust services throughout the Western Hemisphere.
A J Camp is an International Tax Attorney and has been Treasurer of the Company since 1998. His specialisation is international corporate and personal tax planning, particularly in respect to trading and investment companies.

Wiring Instructions from related site
CITIBANK NEW YORK, N.Y.

ABA # 021 0000 89

FOR FURTHER CREDIT TO:
BANCO UNO S.A. COSTA RICA

ACCOUNT # 360 23626

FOR FURTHER CREDIT TO :

FIDUCIARIOS PRIVADOS INTERNACIONALES S.A.

FONDO EFECTIVO EN DOLARES # 767
WESTERN UNION INSTRUCTIONS
FIDUCIARIOS PRIVADOS INTERNACIONALES

OFICENTRO EJECUTIVO LA SABANA

EDIFICIO 5 OFICINA 3

SAN JOSE, COSTA RICA

ATTN: CARLOS CALDERON HERNANDEZ

TEL: (506) 220-4002


Post by Adem
passport 100-100000 All time SPECIAL: second passport from Central America, visa free to all EU-countries, spanish naturalization possible after 2 years of residence, only USA 15000, with cedula and driver's license
George Adem
av. de 1 libertad, Panama, Panama 12345
Panama Phone: 1234
gadem110@yahoo.com

Link to information on International Health Insurance
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Phone/Fax +358-9-2536-0108
If paying by credit card, you may fax your application to +358-9-2536-0108 or E-mail it to health@privacy-consultants.com


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Producer Number: 99123A-0004
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City: Godby
Country: Finland
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Producer Name: Dr. Georg Adem
Street Address: ACL, PL7
State: Aland
Postal Code: 22411
Telephone:
Fax:

ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A Klaus Gruber???
According to testimonials he is associated with MSI in Panama.
Link to IPCBelize.com
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Matthew Peters, NY
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Syd Hale, Cottage Grove, OR
Louis Seymor, Chicago
John Sterling, Tampa FL
Jean Luc, Marseille, France
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Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/4/2003 2:25:34 AM

By: Question to Observer

Aware of any cases or action filed against Georg Adem? Or should it be Robert Demes if he really is Georg Adem????

Thanks,
Hunter


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/7/2003 1:58:41 PM

By: Observer

Now1card was run by the same people at Dominion Offshore / Phoenix Belize http://www.diloffshore.com/ / http://www.phoenixbelize.com

I do not believe they have a connection to Adem, other than perhaps he promoted their mlm scheme at now1card

Observer.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/7/2003 11:05:27 AM

By: Comment to Mark wiring instructions

If the wiring instructions are something you can share I would be interested in comparing them to any I have stuck in files over the years.

Couple of times have seen posts about Georg Adem being arrested. If that is true and he is sitting in jail somewhere then I don't think he would be Robert Demes. Demes seems hot and heavy into this Costa Rica land deal associated with the Russ Whitney Organization.

Have a good one,
Hunter


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/7/2003 10:45:50 AM

By: Mark

Hunter,

yes it was NowCard, I found it on FPC website.
I remember, when George has respond to me, I have check mail headers and they have show ISP in Holland (bank acct to send payment in holand), a week later, ISP in Finland (bank acct in Finland)

2 weeks later, I hear that he was arrested in south africa dont know by whos order.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/7/2003 8:09:21 AM

By: Maybe NowCard

Early 2001 this started to appear at related sites.

We have it now! The anonymous VISA-debit-card, even available together with a Belize IBC for only a little more than USD 1,000! You can use the IBC for your day-to-day biz or just to keep your nest egg safe and anonymous!
Link for program to -> http://web.archive.org/web/20010331125036/now1card.com/members/fpc.shtml
The NowCard is the most valuable card that you will ever carry. No matter who you are or what you do; your ability to successfully manage, access and control your money with confidentiality is paramount.

The link came from the site for nauru banker:
http://www.nauru-banker-net.com

fpc in the site address, fpc.shtml, probably stands for Financial Privacy Consultants since that is the organization associated with the nauru-banker site, privacy consultants site, and others.

Hunter





Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/7/2003 4:55:41 AM

By: Mark

George is not PT

george adem, has ripped me for 1000USD 3-4years ago, when he was offering cheap inc in belize with bank acct and visa card, I was to naive.

website was something like: onecreditcard.com or creditcardone.com, I have put big pressure on his webhosting company, they have shut it down, after that he has place it up again, I was pressing on them again and website went offline.

I was looking at www.ipcbelize.com, "Andrew Webber" could be same George Adem, but something is telling me he is not.

I sent him an email and replay Ive got was:

You FUCKEN bastart, you cannott shutdown my website i have millions of email addresses and will email everyone that you are trying to hack me....etc ..etc


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/7/2003 3:56:31 AM

By: John Smith

I thought George was PT Shamrock, who lives in London.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/21/2009 1:09:31 PM

By: findtaxevaders

I believe this is nothing more than tax evasion, probably monetarily totaling more than all illegal alien costs. Its money laundering potential has been shoved down my throat by a greedy, jealous, mental case of a sister, and a disgusting, evil, pathalogical liar of a mother, whom have hijacked the estates of three male relatives that died within eight months of each other. It starts with a fraudulent trust, and ends up in corporations all around the country,(that AMM & MY). I suppose the money has to end up in their state of residence, before they can start wiping their asses with it.
Fkutrly


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 10/14/2005 8:02:33 PM

By: Chris Sanchez

I would strongly suggest that you look at www.RussWhitneyLawsuit.com and read all of the posts about the upcoming Class Action Lawsuit against Whintey and his new company Edutrades


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/8/2003 5:02:21 PM

By: More for Costa Rica folks

http://www.ranchomonterey.net/letterfromcostarica01.htm

Rancho Monterey is located at Playa Esterillos on The Pacific side of Costa Rica half way between the beach resorts of Jaco Beach and Quepos/Manuel Antonio. It is two hours from the capital city of San Jose... However this drive will be cut to 1 hour and 15 minutes in 2004 when the new road is completed, making it one of the closest beachfront properties to San Jose...

Rancho Monterey consists of almost 2000 rolling heavily treed acres that support a complete rainforest system full of wildlife. The property is 5 feet above sea level in the front, gradually rising to 800 feet. There are over 300 individual hills with their own unique view of the Pacific and the mountains of San Jose to the rear. The property is well watered by five bold springs and year around streams including a small lake teeming with every type of bird imaginable.

Directly adjacent to the property is a public airport that will support all manner of light aircraft, cutting the travel time from San Jose to 20 minutes. Rancho Monterey has a kilometer of road frontage on the Pacific Coast Highway, which runs the length of Central America and provides easy access to Jaco Beach (20 minutes) for shopping, dining, entertainment and medical facilities. The Photo Album page contains various views of the property. Since this is such a large piece of land we are developing one portion at a time under a Master Plan developed by Ronald Zurcher, the premiere land planner in Latin America. The plan may be seen under the master plan button on this page.

Rancho Monterey S.A. is pleased to announce that it will begin sales of commercial and residential projects to investors as well as single family lots and homes built to suit according to a Master Plan designed by Zurcher, the planners for the world famous Marriott "Los Suenos" located 20 minutes away. All sites will have ocean view, road frontage and electricity. The pricing is available upon request and below any comparable properties in Costa Rica. In other words you have a built in profit when you purchase.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/8/2003 4:57:28 PM

By: Costa Rica folks .....

Got any folks from Costa Rica then maybe they could check on this development.

Believe the name of the development is Rancho Monterey even thought I have seen references to a Rancho Montery.

Here is a description of Rancho Monterey.
At the Whitney conference I was able to spend two days with Robert Demes, an American Ex-pat who moved to Costa Rica 22 years ago. Robert is project manager for another Zurcher designed project called Rancho Monterey. Just 20 miles down the Pacific Coast from Los Suenos, Rancho Monterey is a luxury-gated community located on 2,000 acres with Polo fields, equestrian facilities, conference center and its own airstrip. Four phases will be developed over the next 10 years. Phase One is already underway and construction is already started on a convention center and is running 16 days ahead of schedule

Here is a reference to Rancho Montery which might be the same development. Includes a map.
http://www.dreamlandforsale.com/costa_rica_land.html

Thanks,
Hunter



Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/8/2003 3:00:55 PM

By: Okke Ornstein

Re: "Okke and Adem and very much buddy, buddy, and had some business deals together too.

Adem ran the "PT List Service" for years, and used it to pitch scams to the PT suckers who visited that list. Okke was a regular participant."

That information, I'm afraid, is hopelessly incorrect.

With all these aliases and people using each other's names in the wonderful world of offshore scams and message boards, it's irresponsible to jump to conclusions like some people in this thread do.

The old PT List was run by someone named "Georg Palmer", and he is not Georg Adem. I met Palmer several times, I never met Adem, let alone that I had any business deals with him. Palmer is from the UK, and Adem appears to be German or Belgium, I don't really know.

The name "Robert Demes" vaguely rings a bell, but I have no idea who he is. I never met him, never talked to him and never corresponded with him that I know of. Similarly, I've never met or been in contact with Marc Harris' father. I did meet his mother on one occasion when she visited Panama.
I never ran into the name of Mr. Demes in Panama, and I asked some ex-employees of Harris about it but they can't recall the name either.

Believe it or not, but the domain name "apot.cx" was a present from an anonymous gentleman after the issue was discussed on - yes indeed - the PT list. The whole thing was done over the internet and no-one ever gave his real name - except me of course, I don't do aliases. After a while, there were indications that Adem would be behind the hosting of it. The site doesn't exist any more. That, by the way, does in no way mean that I no longer regard Mr. Marchant's newsletter as a fraud that should be exposed. I don't see why a different set of rules should apply to Marchant than to the subjects of his writings.

So, sorry as I am to disappoint you, there is really no connection between me, a Mr. Adem and/or a Mr. Demes.

Saludos,

Okke Ornstein





Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 7/7/2003 8:57:15 PM

By: Comment to Observer ....

If you look at that link I posted in the Now1Card post and use the archive tool to look at the members page it will give you some idea of how many folks/entities promoted the card.

Archive tool at: http://www.archive.org

The site address to enter is:
http://www.now1card.com/members/*

Have a good one,
Hunter


 

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