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Marc Harris arrested and deported to U.S.A.
Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 8:47:10 AM

By: David Marchant

There is a story in our 'KYC News' feed and a link to an article in La Prensa, Nicaragua (i Spanish) in our 'Money Laundering' feed.

Both of these feeds can be found on our home page.

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 8:11:46 AM

By: Mark

wow

do you have any link to this news ?


Internal Administrator
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011
Joined: 10/12/2010
Posts: 5780


Posted: 6/11/2003 7:53:01 AM

By: David Marchant

Offshore provider Marc Harris, who was first exposed in OffshoreAlert in March, 1998, was arrested in Nicaragua and deported to Miami, Florida.

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 11:16:22 AM

By: earlybird

Very funny David. Knox and Bukovich together in crime. Let's lay charges. But I think David will be answering questions like the ones on Diligizer Board which, get deleted here, to men in suits quite soon. For their unintended and tragicomic element, David's posts are worth watching however. His prison graffiti should be so good. Certainly it couldn't be less original. haha


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 11:13:51 AM

By: David Marchant

Harris is being arraigned in Miami at 1.30 pm to 2 pm EST.

I will be in the court to cover the arraignment and I will file a report later today.

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 11:05:01 AM

By: Hall of Shame entry headed home

Bring em on home boys. Babel Fish translation.


Marc Mattiew Harris Bosma, controverted Panamanian industralist of American origin, with presumed bonds with narcotics traffickers and operations of washing money, was captured yesterday in Managua by the Police National, and deported to the United States, 20 minutes later, taking care of a request of the American government. Harris, that handles to tens of financial companies offshore with about 10 thousand clients, arrived at Nicaragua at beginnings of the last year and the Police had extended him a certificate of?buena conduct. Journalistic publications of the United States, like the financial bulletin Offshore Alert, denounced at beginnings of the 2002 that Harris was in Nicaragua establishing its companies and that had left Panama having left tens of pending accounts. To Harris also it is mentioned to him in a report of the Senate of the United States, to participate in the washing of about 100 million dollars through one of his companies. Also it has pending judicial processes in the United States. Minister of Interior, Eduardo Urcuyo, signed a ministerial resolution authorizing the expulsion of Harris, on the basis of article 29 of the Law of Extranjería, alleging that its presence in the country was opposite to the interests of the nation. The ambassador of the United States in Managua, Barbara Moore, said that Harris is a North American citizen who resided in Nicaragua and was fugitive of American justice, evading a penal process in his against by tie money laundering to the drug trafficking. knows that we did not comment the legal cases in process, could only confirm that yes, within the framework from the cooperation between both countries (Nicaragua and the United States), to order ours, the Government of Nicaragua expelled to a North American citizen whom has capture order in the United States, it needed the diplomat. Nevertheless, the wife of Harris, Nubia Gutiérrez Rivas, and their Róger lawyer Guevara Mena, alleges that he resigned to the American citizenship and took the Panamanian. resigned to the North American citizenship. It does not have judicial processes in Panama nor in Nicaragua, Gutiérrez in desperate tone said. The lawyer of Harris and his wife denounced that the Police did not allow to see them the prisoner, neither in the DIC nor in the airport. In addition they denounced to the Police in the Nicaraguan Center of Human rights (Cenidh), by presumed kidnapping and to do violence to the legal procedures for the capture and deportation of its client). Also they interposed a resource of Habeas Corpus by presumed illegal halting against the National Police. But the assistant director of the Police, commissioner Francisco Baptist, denied that the institution has done violence to some procedure.

HISTORIAL BLACK OF HARRIS According to the financial bulletin Offshore Alert, Harris maintains disputes with 34 clients who, altogether, demand the bottoms of 86 accounts?que have a value in books of 7,8 million dollars. Offshore Alert also says to have information that three convictos narcotics traffickers appear like shareholders of the office that The Harris Organization has in the British Virgin Islands. The dealers would be Wallace Stull, James Somerville and Lawrence Boulanger. Stull and Somerville were sentenced by drug trafficking in 1997 and 1998, respectively, and sent to a prison in California. Boulanger has been arrested several times by cocaine distribution. The first halting happened in New York, in 1973, and the last one in 2001, in Massachusetts, informed Offshore Alert. At the moment, Boulanger hopes to be judged by the presumed washing of 3,2 million dollars, product of the traffic of 500 pounds of marijuana to the month, that was introduced from Mexico to Arizona, soon to distribute it in Chicago, Illinois and in the city of New York, according to an official notice of press of the Department of Justice of the United States. The financial bulletin says, in addition, to have internal documentation of the company/signature, provided by an old employee of Harris that was dismissed by the reconstruction of the group. Between documents there is a list with the names of about four thousand clients of the company/signature. Many of these clients, according to the bulletin?han be convictos or defendant of several crimes, including fraud and evasion of taxes in the U.S.A.? Harris supposedly was operating from Nicaragua with the aid of many of its collaborators, where it handled to the society Mitchell Astor Gilbert Trust Company, Ltd., Patco Trust CO, effective from the seven of March of 2002 and registered in the fiscal paradise of Nevis. Although Harris left the offices that Balboa occupied in the Seat (Panama '), of where it went without paying the rent, according to the bulletin, this gurú follows present in Panama through a denominated society Soluciones Legales y Administrativas, S.A. (Solasa), that does not appear enrolled in the Public Registry. In this society, with offices in a building in Beautiful Vista, several ex- employees of the company/signature would be working. Through its lawyer, Harris has said that it went of Panama by lack of legal security. The FBI, the IRS, the Interpol and the Defense council of the State of Chile would have formulated international requests to investigate to Harris, those that presumably were neglected by the Panamanian authorities. In March of the 2000 Interpol de Weisbanden (Germany) it asked for information to the Interpol of Panama, on the company/signature of Marc Harris by his contacts with two tie companies to a swindle and a fraudulent bankruptcy, investigated in Germany and Switzerland, respectively.

QUÊN IS HARRIS? In 1984, at the age of 18 years, one graduated with honors in the school of Carolina of the North. In 1985 one graduates in the School of Commerce of the University of Columbia and obtains a license to work in Florida, being begun that same year his workings with an investment of five thousand dollars. Also?El published its book intellectual spirit of Marc Harris. In 1989 it leaves the United States and it sends its company/signature in Panama. That same year resigns to the American citizenship. In 1990 two banks under the protection of Harris in Monserrat, are closed by the law of British regulation. That same year in Florida they suspend the license to him to break all the laws of commerce. In 1995 it bought a company in Panama. In 1997 Harris it began to participate in international conferences, speaking of the Offshore companies. In 1998 they are begun to publish the insolvencies that suffered the companies under the control of Harris. In the 2001?estos journalists of the Press, Panama?Gustavo Gorritti, Mónica Palm, Rolando Rodríquez and Miren Gutiérrez? they were subject to demands of calumny, insult and theft of documents, due to its investigations and news articles on the bonds of the solicitor Jose Antonio Sossa with Marc Harris, a American industralist who provided financial services to two convictos narcotics traffickers in California. In agreement with information of financial magazines from the United States to which Harris offered declarations them, in which it assured to represent 10 thousand clients of American and Canadian origin, its capital one was until recently of 35 million dollars and had under its handling a trillion of dollars through several companies of investments. Its company/signature was the greater American financial institution. Harris operated with virtual transferences and these were not regulated by the department of regulation of the United States. Also it is had to him tie with investments in Cuba. His first wife, with whom she procreated two children, lives in Chile and there he has several vehicles to?Jaguar? valued in a million dollars. ALL EXPRESS Marc Harris was catched in the traffic lights of Colony 14 of September, to the Southeastern of Managua, when it went to the offices of Migracio'n and Extranjería, to where had mentioned it by subjects of its residence in Nicaragua. A patrol of Police that followed to him since it left its house in the San Juan distribution, advanced its car in the own traffic light, it intercepted the step to him and two officials of the Special Troops lowered of the patrol and they forced it to raise this one. Harris was taken to the Direction of Criminal Investigations of Polici'a (DIC) and minutes later to the airport in another patrol, where they gave it agents to the Antidrug of the Agency of the United States (DEA), that raised it an airplane and they took it to the United States. Everything in the morning happened between the 11:30 minutes and the one of afternoon of yesterday.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 10:19:48 AM

By: Avid Investor

wow... it is indeed a spectacular capture. It seems that he was arrested at a traffic light stop.

This is a direct link to an article in "Diario La Prensa" of Nicaragua:

http://www.laprensa.com.ni/nacionales/nacionales-20030611-14.html

This is another link to an article in "El Nuevo Diario" of Nicaragua:

http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/nacional/nacional1.html

Avid Investor


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 10:14:46 AM

By: David Marchant

I think you're confusing the Crozier people with Tony Bukovich and John Knox.

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 9:56:46 AM

By: Insider

Looks like he will be sharing that jail sell with the guys who set up crozier bank.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 5:28:43 PM

By: Ol' Hap - For Okke

Okke,

David should celebrate, as we all should, that someone who has gotten away with defrauding people out of millions of dollars, laundering money for drug dealers, stiffing his own loyal employees out of hundreds of thousands of dollars in backpay, abandoning those employees to the threats and harrassment of his enemies, and dodging responsibility for his gross incompetence and criminal behavior for so many years, is finally being held accountable for his actions. *That* is something to celebrate!

And David should be congratulated for his undeniably large part in making that happen, as should all journalists who contributed.

As for the pain Harris has caused so many people and the suffering this arrest will cause his family, no, that is not something to celebrate. Neither is that pain the responsibility of any journalist who exposed him. That pain is Harris' responsibility and his alone. And a good, well-rounded documentation of *all* sides of the story is always welcome and would be of interest and perhaps even instructive to many.

Write that book, Okke.
You are in a unique position to do so. If anyone can see all sides of this, it would be you.

-Hap




Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 4:32:23 PM

By: Okke Ornstein

I was talking about Marchant claiming to be the first one who "exposed" Harris, which is simply not true. Sure, one should be congratulated when reporting a good and true story. But the arrest of a subject of one of your stories is not some sort of victory for the journalist. It's ridiculous. Journalists are not policemen.

It would be nice if some publication finally took this Harris drama seriously and published it to it's full extend and not just small parts of it. It's not just about funds that have gone or a couple of drugdealers being clients.

Okke Ornstein


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 3:27:28 PM

By: Okke you got it wrong ....

All journalists who covered the truth about Marc Harris should be congragulated.

That said the majority of information on Marc Harris and the Harris Organization was made available by David Marchant through articles, documents rleated to the DM - Harris case, banking informating, etc. That contribution is only downplayed and overlooked by detractors of DM such as yourself.

Have a good one and try to stay out of trouble,
Hunter


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 2:43:15 PM

By: Okke Ornstein

I´ve been following the inevitable with mixed feelings, and will leave reporting on it to others.

One thing though is that I don´t see any reason to congratulate David Marchant. He wrote enthousiastically that Offshore Alert was the first one to expose Harris, which is simply not true. La Prensa in Panama published long before Marchant did an extensive series of articles about The Harris Organisation.

If any journalists should be congratulated - and I doubt that very much as we should not be confused with law enforcement - it should be the Latin American journalists who needed a lot more courage and took much greater risks regarding their personal safety than David Marchant ever did.

So, if there is interest in the case, I certainly do hope that more serious and professional journalists than David Marchant will start to cover it.

Okke Ornstein


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 2:11:46 PM

By: Ol' Hap - Oh, Happy Day!!!!!!!!

David,

Hearty congratulations!!!
This is *wonderful* news!!
Between Tedder and Harris, I'm beginning to think there is hope for truth and justice and goodness after all.
Go celebrate with Hunter!!!
I mean, after you get out of court...oh, to be a fly on that wall right now!!
Can't wait for the update on the proceedings...

Oh, and thank you Hunter, for the translation of the La Prensa article. I waded through it in Spanish and got the gist, but your posting the translation is great!!

Joy, joy, joy, joy...oh happy day!!!

-Hap


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 12:35:12 PM

By: Grow up and give it a rest

This thread has nothing to do with TB, John Knox, or Bank Crozier.

Grow up and face the fact that David Marchant nailed this one.

Not only that but I have seen posts where DM has requested documents of any wrong doing of Bank Crozier. I have even made that request in a few threads. If you have the proof then post it. If that has already been done then please provide a link to the documentation that has been posted. I think the only thing I have seen is a post by John Colvin that mentions someone who ran a scam and something about Bank Crozier CDs. Think the guy covered in the article was involved in GPG.


Hunter


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 12:12:06 PM

By: rene not marchant-connected

mark - don't think that david m. can be of any help to you... he constantly defended mr. harris, gave positive comments on his "services", and certainly got some hundred thousand usd for his support....

funny, isn't it... how things can turn quite quickly! the same david m. being under constant attacks for weeks for his lack of professional (journalistic) behaving was right... or is it another "justice scandal" that harris became deported?

think!

r.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 9:37:58 PM

By: To Ol Hap

Okke was crazy a long, long, long, long time before Okke and Marchant hooked up.

Okke was (is? - I haven't followed it for a long time) little more than a random poster on the old "PT" newsgroup, featuring some of the strangest characters you will ever hear about, and lead by Georg Adem (sp?). These PT nuts revered everything having to do with offshore privacy, and spent most of their time griping about losing their money in hairbrained schemes or with joke banks (a lot of them lost money in Paritate Bank and they griped about that literally for months).

At some point, David did some stories on some of their members and how they sold books instructing people how to cheat others and also the best Thailand brothels. It was at this point that Okke, who is mentally disturbed in a clinical sense, too personal offense to David and made David the devil of devils in his own mind.

Around the same time, Marc Harris had been exposed by David as a scam artist and was having trouble getting new clients. Desperately in need of money, Marc decided to try to tap the PTers for what little money he had so he actively set out to exploit that market.

It was thus natural that Okke and Marc would eventually hook up, and especially with Marc and David engaged in bitter litigation, would work to try to destroy David. Thereafter, Okke made it his goal in life to duplicate the "success" of Marc (who had a staff of 250 employees and was living the playboy lifestyle, albeit by embezzling his clients' money as it would come out all too soon).

Okke viciously defended Marc against accusations of wrongdoing or embezzlement, and claimed variously that David was hired by U.S. law enforcement or the Panamanian authorities to "set up" Marc. Eventually, Okke even moved to Panama and ended up amorously involved with one of Marc's staff.

It was only, as you say, after Okke's wife was knifed in the back by Marc, like the rest of Marc's employees, that Okke finally decided that Marc maybe wasn't such a good person, and you know the history from there.

So, Okke is guilty of overlooking a mountain of evidence about Marc's wrongoing for literally years before Marc abandoned him and his wife. Okke's now claiming impropriety by David in regard to Crozier is thus the penultimate "pot calling the kettle black" and totally humorous to those of us who know all too well Okke's true history with the PTers and Marc.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 8:00:06 PM

By: That isn't very nice .....

I happen to like Ol'Hap and he has made some good posts at the board. I just don't think he knows Okke like you do. Completely different interaction and different circumstances.

Nicer to Ol'Hap. Okke is about as off center as they come. Marchant's comments are right on the mark so watch yourself and be careful when it comes to Okke.

Hunter


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 7:25:23 PM

By: David Marchant

You are exceptionally naive and/or ignorant.

Ornstein is a pathological liar who routinely distributes false information about others. He is the single most mentally unbalanced person I have ever had any dealings with.

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 6:43:26 PM

By: Ol' Hap

RE: "While they were doing that, Okke Ornstein, while living in a Marc Harris apartment and being a client of Harris', was publishing press releases (one of which bordered on a love letter) defending Marc Harris and criticising La Prensa and OffshoreAlert."

That was before Harris knifed him in the back and Okke saw the light. Haven't you ever been blindly loyal to someone who'd been kind to you and claimed to be your friend, only to have that person stab you in the back and demonstrate that you were only a pawn and that the person wasn't worthy of your loyalty? This is what people like Harris excel at...using people.

Like it or not, Harris is a human being who managed to charm an awful lot of people into parting with not only their money, but their judgement of character. It's much easier to see black and white from your distance, David.

-Hap


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 6:08:05 PM

By: wow David

Incredible! Do you mean to say that Okke was to Harris as you've been to Crozier? I learn new stuff everyday!


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 5:56:37 PM

By: David Marchant

For the record, OffshoreAlert and La Prensa both helped to expose Marc Harris.

While they were doing that, Okke Ornstein, while living in a Marc Harris apartment and being a client of Harris', was publishing press releases (one of which bordered on a love letter) defending Marc Harris and criticising La Prensa and OffshoreAlert.

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/12/2003 9:26:45 AM

By: John Smith

As the Vigna transactions were before Gandolfi's time, not sure they will go after him.

Reality is he was merely a figurehead, MMH did all the financial aspect.

Can't see him standing up to prison very well though.

What was his face like in court?


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/12/2003 8:24:01 AM

By: David Marchant

No.

However, I would not be surprised if he and/or other former Harris officers are indiicted at a later date.

Harris was only indicted after two of his clients, Tony and Joseph Vigna, co-operated with the U.S. authorities in return for lenient sentences.

If Harris decides to do likewise, then I would expect one or more of those he implicates to be indicted at some stage in the future.

During Gandolfi's deposition for the libel proceedings against OffshoreAlert's publisher, he swore under oath that he knew as much about The Harris Organization's operations as Marc Harris.

As soon as the words came out of his mouth, I thought it likely that they would come back to haunt him.

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/12/2003 8:13:57 AM

By: John Smith

Any word on Gandolfi David?


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/12/2003 4:11:34 AM

By: John Smith

Wow, someone who actually knows what Okke is really about. I thought he was getting away with pulling the wool over everybody's eyes!

Everybody forgets to mention that his wife is also one of Marc Harris' ex-mistresses!


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/12/2003 1:46:17 AM

By: To Ol Hap

Unfortunately, Okke is extremely schizophrenic and cycles from seeming like a calm and rational journalist to being a clinically paranoid conspiratorialist. Whichever version you get depends on the time of day. As all such persons seem to be, when you get the calm and rational version he seems abnormally intelligent and enlightened, but don't be fooled as Mr. Hyde shall return within hours.

Sad, because there are drugs these days that can help to even such things out. Okke might be able to recover with the help of such drugs and and regular counseling, but almost always such people reject that help as yet another "attempt to get them" by whoever. I shudder to think of the quality of mental health care that is available in Panama.


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/11/2003 11:12:34 PM

By: Ol' Hap - Ahhhh...

Thanks for the background.
That is, indeed, helpful.

Okke has mentioned to me that he was into the whole PT thing in the past. I have to say, though, that my dealings with him of late have all been very positive. He's been..um...enthusiastic on occasion, but not in a bad way, and also thoughtful and downright insightful on others.

For what it's worth, I see *him* as someone who was perhaps naive and ignorant, who bought into the PT "dream", trusted Harris, and stuck by him with a loyalty seldom found these days, until he inevitably got burned. Someone who perhaps realizes he has made some questionable choices in the not too distant past, is willing to own up to them, and is making rather a courageous effort to redeem himself professionally by pursuing some truly worthy and interesting journalistic projects. If that is the case, then I hope he will continue on that path because I feel he has a lot of insight to offer, some of it rather hard-won.

And thanks, Hunter, for your vote of confidence. You are right that the circumstances are entirely different. The research I did regarding SCLD only validated Okke's story. And I'm not naive or ignorant, but that doesn't preclude me from supporting what I see to be good in others when I see it.

-Hap


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/12/2003 3:41:21 PM

By: Ol' Hap - Mental Health and Logic

RE: "Unfortunately, Okke is extremely schizophrenic and cycles from seeming like a calm and rational journalist to being a clinically paranoid conspiratorialist. Whichever version you get depends on the time of day. As all such persons seem to be, when you get the calm and rational version he seems abnormally intelligent and enlightened, but don't be fooled as Mr. Hyde shall return within hours."

Obviously written by someone who got their definition of schizophrenia from watching Sybil too many times and has no earthly idea what the true symptoms are of that devastating illness.

To be perfectly honest, I'd be personally wary of *anyone* on this board, including Mr. Marchant, who gives the word "jaded" a deeper meaning than I've ever encountered before, and I know some pretty die-hard cynics. However, I see Mr. Marchant as having put himself out on a limb on many occasions and having done and currently doing a lot of good for a lot of people. And I see Okke doing the same thing with the SCLD story and other current projects he's taken on. I have a great deal of respect for *anyone* who puts his ass on the line to hold people like Harris and McMurrain accountable for their actions. Not torture them and drag them through the streets, not impale their heads on pikes, but simply hold them accountable for their actions.

But I also see *both* Okke and Marchant sniping at each other like little boys on a schoolyard, which does neither them nor anyone else any good. I'm not a prude, a little sniping can be fun and just plain amusing, but not when it begins to negate the stories being told, which are important and the reason we're all here at this board.

As for the Bank Crozier/Marchant/Knox thing, I've come to the conclusion that after all David went through in Bermuda, that to have a Grenada bank finance his bread and butter would be just plain stupid. And I don't see David as stupid (or trusting of *anyone*) enough to do that. But I do see Knox and others as definitely vindictive enough to try to ruin David. And it makes perfect sense to me, now, that David won't answer direct questions on the board, not because the answers would incriminate him, but because he considers the questions about Crozier financing OBNR as wholly absurd to begin with. So unless or until I see some solid evidence of a connection, logic seems to side with David on this issue.

-Hap


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/12/2003 1:19:36 PM

By: Also tried to send you news ....

Forgot to mention J. Michael Hanks. Tried to send you news on him because he got nailed not too long ago.

Have a good one,
Hunter


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/12/2003 1:18:12 PM

By: Well hello CD ....

The email I had for you was old. I tried to email you the news on Tedder the other day. Never thought I would see the day that both of them would be in jail in the US at the same time.

Hope things are going well,
Hunter


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/12/2003 12:09:43 PM

By: Carl Dilley

Congratulations to DM.

One of the most arrogant and truly unabashed white collar thieves of our time is where he belongs. It is only too bad that the millions in investor money he stole from people will in all likelihood never be recovered.

Again hats off!!

CD


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/12/2003 11:41:36 AM

By: David Marchant

Harris had a dazed look on his face, which is understandable and normal. I would be looking dazed if it had happened to me.

He was part of a 'chain-gang' of six prisoners who were joined by handcuffs and leg shackles. All were wearing light khaki-colored prison uniforms, which comprised pants and a shirt.

It was a sad spectacle.

When asked for his occupation, Harris told the court that he was a "self-employed software developer".

David Marchant


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/15/2003 4:28:58 PM

By: Ol' Hap - Hypocrisy

RE: "An indictment concerning freon smuggling coming from a country that walks out on every climate conference, doesn't sign any treaties to control damage to the atmosphere and has so far refused to clean up the vast amount of toxic waste it left behind in the country where I live - "hypocrite" is a word that comes to mind."

I'll give you the hypocrisy of the U.S. not doing near *enough* to protect and clean up the environment. However, the U.S. *does* ban the transport of Freon 113 because of its adverse effects on the environment. It's a country that has regulated, banned, and mandated cleanup of that substance for years now. To defend its illegal transport and attack the environmental record of the U.S. in the same breath is also hypocritical. Global environmental policy as a whole is just too complex an issue. As many have put forth, the Freon is most likely only what they had slam-dunk evidence to arrest him with now, and more charges will follow. One thing is not complex...

Okke, Marc Harris has done horrible things. Horrible, and most likely illegal things that have hurt a lot of people and for which he should be held accountable. Whether he's done those things as a result of a personality disorder that demanded he succeed at any cost to preserve his own delusions of personal greatness, or as fully conscious hurtful and likely criminal acts, the facts remain the same. He's done them. He's hurt people. He should be held accountable.

One more thing. Harris did those things, not you. You'd be a better friend to him and yourself by condemning those actions, not defending his behavior, which has been despicable, particularly to your wife and his other employees. I know it's appealing to play Devil's Advocate, but you come off as defending him, and it could really hurt you in this instance.

-Hap


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/14/2003 12:03:01 PM

By: Okke Ornstein

Since the DEA asked the Panamanian authorities for permission to investigate further in Panama, it wouldn't surprise me if there will be more charges.

It all looks like they wanted him arrested now, and this was the easiest way to do it. It also looks as if there has been some sort of deal with the Nicaraguans concerning the ex-president Aleman case.

I agree with Ol'Hap that freon is a nasty substance. But as always, there's more than one way to look at it. An indictment concerning freon smuggling coming from a country that walks out on every climate conference, doesn't sign any treaties to control damage to the atmosphere and has so far refused to clean up the vast amount of toxic waste it left behind in the country where I live - "hypocrite" is a word that comes to mind.

Okke Ornstein


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/13/2003 2:15:59 PM

By: Paul K

With Mr. Harris arrested and soon to be charged and sent to prison,
what becomes of his organization? Will the U.S. Government
liquidate the assets and then pay off all or some of the clients money?


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/13/2003 3:54:32 AM

By: John Smith

The people who were convicted of the freon 'smuggling' never had anything to do with drugs. Any charges based on plea bargaining the did will not include anything to do with drug money.

Harris did have clients that have since been convicted of drug dealing, but they are not included in the charges. Yet!


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/13/2003 1:55:41 AM

By: Ol' Hap - For Okke

Okke, I should let you speak for yourself, you're right. I've said nothing behind your back, though. All is open and I take full responsibility.

And I've recently been in a situation of defending and remaining loyal to a friend through lots of red flags, who turned around and stabbed me in the back, and I have absolutely *no* regrets or apologies about my loyalty, so I understand that issue, although my friend was no Marc Harris, that's for sure.

I do have a bone to pick with your argument about the drug smuggling, though. My understanding was that Harris laundered money for a couple of drug smugglers who agreed to testify against him as well as for the Freon smuggling. According to you, it's just the Freon. Well, in my book, smuggling Freon is worse than smuggling drugs. Do you have any idea *why* it is illegal to transport Freon? Do you have any idea how toxic that stuff is and difficult and expensive to clean up once it has contaminated a groundwater supply? One small Freon spill is a helluva lot worse than several boatloads of doobies. If you are truly concerned with "green" projects such as reforestation, then how can you possibly discount Freon smuggling??

-Hap


Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/12/2003 9:40:53 PM

By: Okke Ornstein

I seem to be receiving more coverage on this board than Harris himself these days. I haven't even read all, but let me address a few points that came up, while leaving the more pathetic smear for what it is.

1) Yes, I did defend Marc Harris as I would defend any friend who is in trouble. Apparently, "friendship" is a difficult concept to grasp for some that hang out here. Or they think it's not important. Whatever it is, I considered Marc Harris a good friend so I tried to help him to a cetian extent, much like Marchant tries to help his friend Johansson by not exposing the Crozier scandal for what it is. The difference is that I have never been helping Harris on one side and publishing about his competitors on the other at the same time.

The bottomline is that I am absolutely not going to apologize for trying to help a friend. I don't need to be excused for it. I happen to think that helping friends is a valuable human quality.

2) Yes, I did criticize the coverage of the Harris case in La Prensa and later Offshore Alert and I still do. What was published was biased, simplification, and above all extremely limited and narrow-focussed. Harris is indicted now for money laundering, not of drugs money as so many claim here, but the proceeds of freon smuggling - of all substances. I happen to know something about the structures that were used in that deal. Did anyone ever report about Boutin, who was then the in-house lawyer of Harris and recommended a colleague/friend on Aruba to help out the Vigna's? Wouldn't there be a big possibility that the DEA, which has requested permission from the Panamanian authorities to further investigate in Panama, will want to talk to Mr. Boutin, whom by the way has to appear in court too in five days on charges of falsification of documents?

Apart from the - thanks to Offshore Alert and La Prensa - unknown Boutin, has anyone ever reported about the bribing of politicians (yes, also those that La Prensa always defends), a meeting of Harris with a presidential advisor and some others to discuss pay-offs, meeting with a chief of police in Nicaragua and so on? Did anyone, by the way, ever find out how and why the Vigna's really were arrested in the first place?

And those are just some of the many issues that La Prensa as well as Offshore Alert have chosen to ignore. I'm not saying this to defend Harris. I simply found then that it was bad reporting and I still do.

3) I'm not convinced that being a subscriber of any PT group is something bad. I have made valuable contacts and friends through it. I'm sure there are people calling themselves PT's who are scammers or con artists. I'm sure there are con artists among sports fishermen too. Maybe there are people on this board from Vancouver, the number one scam city in the world, as Forbes magazine put it. Some of you may have accounts with Citibank, which has a rich history of laundering money, and not just from freon smuggling. I think guilt-by-association games are stupid.
As far as "PT philosophy" goes, one of the things the PT's value is keeping a low profile, blending in, and flying below the radar. I'm afraid I don't fit into that category. I do agree with most PT's that (financial) privacy is important. I happen to be of the opinion that as long as the US is able to finance multi-billion dollar wars, people pay too much taxes there. Logically, using offshore structures to me is not at all synonimous with money laundering and other crimes. I happen to be of the opinion that the war on drugs is futile and a waste of (tax) money, makes more victims than it saves and violates privacy at intolerable levels. I believe that if people are free to decide whether they drink alcohol or not, they should also be free to decide what they put in their nose, veins or lungs. I believe the governments' positions against money laundering is hypocrite and false and that the reality is that the western world's economies simply need the narcobucks and other funds to be laundered.

I don't see anything in the above that would make me - or any "PT" - a bad person.

Okke Ornstein






Anonymous
Posted: Friday, August 12, 2011

Posted: 6/18/2003 7:26:52 PM

By: M. Morning

The previous posting that asked if the goverment will liquidate Harris' assets so as to pay back clients who were robbed of their investments (myself and my wife being one of them) is probably being a little naive.

Yes, that would be the proper result of taking him into custody and forcing restitution, but I somehow doubt this will happen. They'll fine him within an inch of his life and all the money that SHOULD go to those of us who were ripped off (I have a final account statement dated Dec. 2002 as proof of what I'm owed) will go straight into the pockets of the Justice Dept./U.S Attorney's office.

I'm guessing the only way to press the issue would be to gather a number of ripped-off investors and press a class-action lawsuit in civil court. I'm no lawyer, but this is just a guess on my part.

Input by individuals more knowledgeable than myself is appreciated.


 

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